They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. (so you basically pay for a fraud protection system for people hoe sell themselves out exclusively). I agree with Captainmarlowe than one of the most important ideas to develop is more "education" for Sellers about all aspects involved in this business, and some kind of system that favors good and fair business practices and penalizes bad ones. Yes, sometimes your points are not displayed for a day or two, but there were problems with the rating of models. Most small or midsized companies I worked with, did their best to cap their scene polygons at no more 500,000 all models included. In my country you have to be adult to do bussines and legal stuff. Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Ts has always been an overly expensive service and its not that good at all compare to its cost. Also you need to think about the advantage of not having to worry about shipping costs etc with digital art. While i've heard that TS support isn't that great in practice and they always tend to exploit sellers, but impression that they're making on buyers must be really good. However, we have detected that you have set your prices back numerous times after we have made appropriate changes. It also seems to me like CG trader is looking out a lot more for the artists. The other issue is that Turbosquid has been out there for longer. Maybe they should just smack up one big "We're cheaper than TurboSquid" banner and push it into Google Ads? You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. Change Method. Turbosquid.com4. This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". I believe this would solve the 'bad content mixed with the quality models' problem. Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? still turbosquid has the most paying clients. Now if this individual was for real I would have loved to contact him and ask If he would like to give me that converted file in exchange for every dollar he paid for the model. Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. For example, I ran into this this morning. There are very few modelers out there who can actually support themselves financially doing this and whenever one of us sells anything it is a little like winning the lottery. Ebay it's ALL about direct seller/customer relationship. This is a bit OT, but although I obviously ain't a squidguild member, I always try to design objects that are "checkmate" compliant to be sure that my models are OK, and I also beta test the .OBJ version in a lot of other applications that LW to be sure that they upload without hassle) In my opinion, the worst Turbosquid is doing is minimizing the role and presence of the real content creators, being just a middleman reseller but trying to control all aspects of the product in a way that in the end the . Turbosquid is basically a pyramid scheme for the most part unless you are established and have been in the top rank for many years. Doesnt matter the kind of kinky-dinky stuff the platform provides me. Abdulhamid Saeed Aziz's Post - LinkedIn Basically giving your money to a tyrant of a service, not even free to set price on your own products accordingly. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. --GENERAL--. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? I have met a bunch of really good artists here that I have had the pleasure of working with. ;). Maybe the home page should be a very simple page with only two huge buttons [CG models] and [3D Printing]. The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS There is indeed much structural work that needs to be done here but the core foundation/principal is here. They will be very enlightening and useful to you especially if you have never built 3D models and don't know what to expect. "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". [Lighthouse12](http://lighthouseapp.com/ "Lighthouse12") We are writing to inform you that we are taking your content offline for 60 days as you have continued to change your prices to be higher on TurboSquid. I removed all products from TS. I see what you mean but I think it depends on how you are covering markets. - Crowdfunding to improve the CGtrader presence in the market. The last handful of successful high end 3D studios still buy those models because they know that the scenes have to be clean, geometry has no odd manifold or abnormal issues and the modelers have to jump through all kinds of hoops to ensure the quality of the model including providing high quality 360 renders. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. So part of the problem would probably be solved if a buyer would indeed get reputation points for buying models and gain more access in the process. Advertising? To my repliers:
Imagine how much resorces and efforts are used by those clowns for this greedy Best price quality nonsense. Being an artist himself makes a huge difference in this regard. A little more than a year passed since our public disagreement with Turbosquid policies and behavior that ended our relationship as content creator and reseller. Matt Wisdom describes Turbosquid as "a sort of Ebay" when in fact Turbosquid works exactly the same as classic "supermarket providers" where the reseller profits the most from the producers by keeping them totally apart from the customers. CGTrader is extremely accessible, perhaps too much so for its own good in some lights. Better for who? I don't think trying to sit down with one ass on more then one chair at the same time is a good business. If that is the case then better not to become exclusive! And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. Better for who? I don't know whether it would be possible to implement, but it would stop those who just wanted to download as many free models as possible. Like when something breaks that is no longer in production like your favorite mug or something. By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. Thingiverse remains the king for licensing, as you can transfer the licence within the site. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. To be honest, it's hard to me to believe that such respectable people like Mantas and Eduardas would refuse to remove negative feedback if it was given without firm reason. We are looking for contributors. In fact, any properly textured model over 5000 polys for less than 15 bucks is NOT okay, and does NOT look professional at all. Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? If CGtrader's advertisement budget is a problem, a Crowdfunding round may help. Yes. An important factor for many buyers is the possibility of cash transactions in the system WebMoney. I doubt the owner will say no to a hefty clump sum, no questions asked, in exchange for site keys and source. You can enter multiple email addresses separated by commas, Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. So what's needed? It is also my favorite 3D site but some things need to be fixed before they can overtake some of the other sites. Of course if you have a PC with quad processors over 16 GB of ram things will be different but be warned students and low end users. In my experience often times a client will ask for certain models but then one must take into consideration what computer specs they have because you don't want your client to get frustrated with the models you buy. My current store on CGTrader includes numerous items that were deemed to be infringing upon GW IP (link below). my main income its still TS. You have to choose a category to get a refresh. And it is convenient for the buyer and profitable for the seller. I'm really happy to see CGTrader growing. Cgtrader user interface is much more user friendly. Order 3D models. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. A serious problem indeed about Turbosquid is its policy of setting up barriers to avoid having a direct link to customers (this includes banning of al communication technologies). Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. And for good sales you don't need to be there neither because its just your own clients you swing to them. Highend 3D - Character Rigs You can download any 3d model in all popular 3d formats including MAX, OBJ, FBX, 3DS, STL, C4D, BLEND, MAYA and other. Buyers tend to look for things based on the category and budget and like to be able to put two products side by side to compare them and get a better understanding of why one is better than the other or which product is more suitable for them as an individual. CGTrader just doesn't have the exposure it needs yet to top Turbosquid but I am confident it will surpass it in time because of the quality of it's products but word of mouth is key in this business and people need to be talking more about them. I can see how 3D modeling and 3D printing can be connected, but even that has to have a clear border for the customer. What, iterateCGI goos down? You have to realize that TS is recognized by autodesk and even had a direct tab link to their site in max itself. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. That is true, but im talking if buyer is already familiar with existence of CGTrader, he can reap all the benefits then. A possible solution for potential buyers looking to sample the work of sellers, would be for sellers to have their free sample models at a low minimal price instead of free. Free 3D Models - Download Free 3D Models 3DExport rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, Realistic Human Body Basemesh - UVMapped - Rigged, CARTOON MAN AND WOMAN - TOON MOTHER AND FATHER, Worker Mining Safety Female - Bella - Harness, Naked Fitness Blonde Woman with Tied Hair. If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. just share your links (: I like both but prefer cgtrader all day. Comment goo's like this, quote "Awesome model, converted this guy over into maya and he looks great" end quote. Show more, By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, max, fbx, blend, uasset, tbscene and more, obj, fbx, unitypackage, prefab, mat and more. So true! Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. This is why I would opt for a system which includes human sorting out capabilities. Due to its royalty politic and complex registration process, I've finally stopped selling 3D models on TS. "that is where the big money can be", being able to part with an invention has value. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. We at NoneCg think that both CGtrader and Sellers will benefit from the exact opposite policy. Everything is more and more coming down to individual levels of very friendly and much more human communication.
- CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". I still get more sales on TS, despite having adjusted all prices to compensate their extortions. Is it the return guarantee if not satisfied? - Guides/Tips for sellers regarding prices/quality to minimize the undercutters problem. Especially if the buyer asks to change something in the configuration of models or to clarify details. I'm afraid the end of Ts is near and nothing can stop it, maybe the best they can do is raise royalty's to 80% for all sellers, but then again if they don't change the censorship policy's they are applying right now then it will probably not be enough to stop the downfall in the long run. Answer: IN my opinion Turbosquid is a great site for selling models. Brittney I ran my test with "characters" and displayed 128 models on one page. CGt embraces all modern communication technologies which is critical to establish such a place. I've often (not just at this site) downloaded "free" items to verify their quality before purchasing models from a vendorI had problems with 3-4 of the "free" items I looked at first here (having no idea there was a limit), and now I can download no more. To me it feels like he is amongst us and we are performing a team effort. For me CGTrader is the best and CGTrader has the best structure of a 3d site !!! Please let us know if you have any feedback. @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. They simply do not get the idea that Turbosquid is just another reseller for the real product developers, and Turbosquid management and "rules" promote exactly that. I was thinking of ok if the ts is shit why not using other marketplace with the cgt specially if both accept selling in other marketplace, You have zero 3D models uploaded here. Adult Female Jessy Rigged 3D Model 9. Blendswap.com5. If I am searching for a 3D model, I am not interested in 3D printing services, and vice versa. TurboSquid be avoided guys! I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. If you have any questions about these items before you purchase, please contact us at https://support.turbosquid.com/ [/quote] "google8":www.google.com, google10 (this would be the core of the human sorting out system). Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. It's true. Same with copyright infringements, same with low quality models (a friend of mine bought recently a model here, which was supposed to be .OBJ compatible : but the seller had just exported the obj from its original program, without even editing the mtl file to have the textures loaded automatically ! I'll ask my friend to get in touch with you for the unsolved support, as I think it is him who has to do that - not me. - Do you prefer to do business with companies that takes the most profit from your products in exchange for a short-term higher revenue? My opinions have evoluted over the months. On the contrary, comparing 2013 to 2014 for the exact same period (January to August) our sales INCREASED in a 45%. Rigged 3D Female Models | TurboSquid If CGT would manage to draw more buyers from TS then even more sellers would migrate here. In this case the fastest support can not help. Site issues? I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. I wont be using TurboSquid due to their royalty system and the fact that I would have to hunt down non-existing forms to prove I am not an American resident and thus avoid paying 30% govt. And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. I think the TS percentage is pretty much an outrage considering the low price of the products being sold. I do not know if community-policing has helped other sites keep their products better organized. Also, trying to find an item that I already saw through the search is near impossible. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. Having said that creating models of that high end quality is quite the burden on 3D modelers who just do it as a hobby or work 3D part time so a lot of artists are moving away from TS because they can't sell their regular models on there anymore. Plus giving much higher royalties, instantly paid, much better support, publishing system, etc. Yes, CG Trader is the best now some bugs should be solved. So if I am looking after regular CG models, afters a few minutes search, my logical choice is not to search on CGTrader but rather on "old-fashioned" sites. Which is good, since we are the ones who will bring in the profits. TurboSquid goes down, It becomes miserable the users are ,,working from behind,, ! Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. I was 2 times victim of credit card fraud on Ts, never happened on CGt so far. Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. CG trader is the first helpfull professional website I've seen in 20 years. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment Machines have already replaced people making their jobs irrelevant in many fields already more and more customer service jobs have become automated, many store sales positions now are not needed because so much is being done online, the tolls on the highways now only use fast track or you get a letter in the mail telling you to pay it because there is no one in the booth anymore so you can't pay it on the road. Animated Camel 3D Model 13. https://www.fiverr.com/pixel512/create-a-3d-model-shipping-container Closed my Ts account because it was completely useless and obsolete. We've been on TS over 20 years and on CG trader since their start. stores with its own labels for 3D printing, 3D stock, crowdfunding, game models maybe even concept designs, sound files, storytellers, code for making apps, 3D scripts, etc) Each of this stores would then again have subcategories (e.g. "Even being a diamond doesnt seem to give me the benefits of sale coz TS takes so much from my sales (everyone's sale) that i would hardly call it profit or any acceptable income. You need to find what you want based on category and budget and purchase it quickly so you can use the product or send it to who will. I left all but . You are right IterateCGI it would be terrible for the photo realistic 3D models however if you think about it not that many 3D artists create things in that style and in some cases are capable of doing that especially some of the newbies. Everything about it is ugly, i just sell a model on cgTrader and another model on Turbosquid, cgtrader gives me 71% and i feel ok , turbosquid gives me 40% and i feel like i get raped, besides its tedious way of uploading methods im done with those guys, i will stick with CGtrader, thanks for the information, still 60 to 40 is a big difference. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. Bottom line is if people are used to buying from TS they won't buy here because they need to use a different system so let's create our own client base. Noise Treshold: Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. Why should the artist suffer? I will very much want to peruse. Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? Although in the beginning that meant the loss of a big part of income (being Turbosquid the biggest 3D content reseller), after just a few adjustment months from that specific point our sales in ALL the other marketplaces started to grow up to a point where we don't miss any income from the missing Turbosquid sales anymore, while 90% of "customer problems" suddenly disappeared. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader Site itself must have significant changes to make it more attractive and more convenient to buyers, especially big buyers. A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. We finally have some real genuine completion for the best sales platform. Their only flaws are the lack of publicity and their search engine. Care to share your time machine? If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. just 2 years ago still existed. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment 2. Some may look great for close ups but in a large environment scene or house setting when you have a lot of models to let's say show off the interior design of a model home you need to be very careful on poly count. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. Think about your future: In my opinion, the worst Turbosquid is doing is minimizing the role and presence of the real content creators, being just a middleman reseller but trying to control all aspects of the product in a way that in the end the customer perceives it more like a "Turbosquid product" than a "Content-creator-X product". You know what is cgtrader but as firstcomer you must have strong impression that this is 3d printing site where you can buy new 3d printed iphone case which will be shipped to you. Turbosquid has too many models Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. Check my store https://apkvisa.com/dungeon-quest-mod-apk/, Very motivating and supportive too.Hope you keep on sharing a greater amount of your ideas. [quote]1. But there are questions that are not achievable for TS, and they will not go to such steps, and it is this: 1. But this is perhaps the only plus turbosquid. video services, 3D viewers, social media , crowd funding platforms, etc.) They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. The fact that you can upload models immediately rather than waiting 3 months for them to get reviewed by some random people that won't have the time + the website design and the community inside CGTrader. NoneCG will be up for it. It is a wonder how people still haven't fixed bugs like that after so many years and it made the whole uploading process a total hassle. - Are you interested in just some quick cash grabs and extras here and there while you can, or would you like to be able to contribute to a fair market where you can make a living out of your passion? Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856?referral=pit_zavra It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. This is a photorealistic high-quality 3D full-body scan female character, rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, max blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, City People x500 Static Poses Lowpoly ArchViz, 20x LOW POLY CASUAL ELEGANT SITTING WOMAN MAN PEOPLE CROWD, Realistic White Male and Female Head Bundle. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. Thor (Rig) for Maya 15. royalty scale you work up on is all very cool the fact you can print here sell files here and stream files all on one listing CG TRADER FOR THE WIN!!! I can't download that lamp and see it's quality myself - so why would I purchase anything from the creator when I don't know if I'll be satisfied? No overt similarites in armor designs, guns, vehicles, naming- nothing. @tomislavveg, on the one hand i agree with you about that, but on the other hand if i would be looking for models i would almost certainly choose TS as my first choice and most likely as a last one before buying. :). When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". As every site takes a small cut from the sales of a model. In fact my sells on TS are actually going down while they go up on CGt. 3. Escorts jaipur A man can dream on :]. tax on top of a high 60% that TS keeps. "TurboSquid Support, Jun 20, 08:14 SST: You are just providing a platform." I am going to start a list to promote artists who are making great models but just aren't getting the views. Here it is quite seamless and elegant. If a model you like does not have a suitable file format, be sure to see whether the designer offers free file conversions for the model. Basically, they continue to sell their previous models or are selling non-liquid assets. It needs to be obvious where to go if you want one or the other. I have been the victim repeatedly on TS. You can enter multiple email addresses separated by commas, Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. It takes way too long to put up any files. I don't know if Turbo Squid allows licence ownership to be transferred as i never got that far with them. I mean the good/bad rating left by buyers. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader [/quote] Although I agree the presentation of CGtraders home page is heavily focused at 3D printing, NoneCG did not suffer ANY drop in sales. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. Thank you again! Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. IMHO that is main area where CGT must up their game significantly. I have no problem with a site offering an option for seller/buyer to find quality print-ready products. - Do you think that a company like Turbosquid, managed by/for corporate funding with clear monopolistic intentions is more likely to improve your situation as a content creator in the future?